“we are not posting any more comments to this site. If we have enlightened just one person with the truth it will have been worth all the effort. Thank you to every body that has given this thread any regard or thought in their comments and as perry would say PEACE.”

“Good heavens.”

“Type in google 'corrupt police uk'. Then get back to me! All those on here that have so much respect, faith and trust in them!!”

“Carried out a survey whilst I WAS STUDYING PSYCHOLOGY. 'Prejudice in sentencing', whereby sheets were handed out to members of the public. 40 of sheets outlined a case of a BLACK man assaulting his girlfriend during an argument. 40 sheets outlined the same story, but the Offender was WHITE. There were different lengths of sentence to choose from, that they felt would be justified for that crime and case. The results clearly indicate that the 'whaite participants' used in my study of 'Prejudice in sentencing', chose to give the 'BLACK criminal', stated as the offender the longest sentence...(VAST CONTRAST in results) ,for committing the same crime as the WHITE offender.
The evidence gathered from this study/survey supported my hypothesis. A black criminal 'WILL' receive a longer sentence for committing the 'same crime' as a white criminal, and that 'THERE IS PREJUDICE IN SENTENCING! There are a number of experiments/studies to clarify 'the level of predjudice apparrent in our society. Especially concerning the minorities/sub-cultures. (Allport and Postman's experiment.."Argument on a subway train" (1947) is a perfect example!”

“Commentking...that's not a true statement about you having always had an open mind regarding this case. But there's the proof right there about what I was saying. Having and developing views on something with little or no evidence, information, or experience of that indivual, sub-culture, etc. Comes right back down to , 'First impressions'. But in our judgements of anything in life, if people thought of 'Dont judge a book by its cover'...then society would be a more harmonious place in which some live...and some just 'have to survive and tolerate'.”

“commentking sorry for saying you said they were thugs.You did not actually say that they were; however you said that they were seen running away from a scene were random acts of cowardice vandalism and thuggery were committed, so therefore implying that they had committed these offences by them running away from the scene were those behaviers had been carried out. like i said before no evidence .The police only normally use forensics when there is no other evidence to prove gilt. (just to clarify one of your earlier comments. and also to clarify some of your earlier comments
Commentking
"But let's be real here shall we? You know, deep down, that your son was involved in this.
disorder (riots, whatever) sounding off about miscarriages of justice is a smokescreen."
No we know deep down in our hearts we know he did not.

These 3 persons (who by the way live nowhere near Peel Street) were part of a group that thought it would be a good idea to throw bricks at a police van..
Your right Perry does not live near peel street, but he goes to the gym quite often then gets food from the food shop on the sorner of peel street,next to the dry cleaners.

Thank you for your positive comments about appeal.”

“Predjudice is 'pre-judging, drawing conclusions, opinions, with little or no evidence. So to anyone who deems that 'the jury must have found them guilty, because they were', are not open-minded at all. They based their decision on 'the specially selected, negative and corrupt information given to them. That, along with the excessive and constant 'negative media coverage', overclowded their judgement, along with pressure to 'conform' to what the 'majority' of society would expect them to do, and disregarding the minorities, and forgetting that their role is to play a part (too big a part) in seeing 'that justice is done! To think, and 'to know', that someones fate belong in the hands of 12 (11 in this case) strangers, with little or no information, experience, or evidence is a travesty. The reasoning behind having a jury was first adapted and put in place with the view that, not one person alone (judge) is enough in order to 'decide' someones fate (crown court). But it does't matter if thre were 'a hundred people' on the jury, if they all based their decision on the information (mostly false in this case), and conformity. The strategy 'in place that night in Nottingham, 9th aug 11, was to lair, 'set a trap', charge-in, arrest....and smile smugly. This was 'The golden ticket' for the police that night. Its funny how the police did not approach and question any of those young males (mostly black), whilst they walked past them in 'pockets of three or 4'. Or on their own, as my son . He walked straight past police officers, with cameras taking pictures of people as they just walked past. Obviously, if my son was on his way, or had any 'intention or plan' to cause trouble, he would have been worried about being identified later, had he of had those intentions. Instead, my son urged the polce to 'check their cameras, from just before the disturbance. Funny that..they havent got the footage of anyone just 'walking around' not doing anything! Havent got footage of all this 'chaos and destructive behavior and damage either'. POLICE DONT USUALLY HAVE A PROBLEM STOPPING 'YOUNG BLACK MALES' WHEN THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GO ABOUT THEIR DAILY BUSINESS, WITHOUT HARRASSMENT. Usually 'just have to be walking with a friend..or 2, or be 'driving a car' to be STOPPED, QUESTIONED, AND HARRASSED. Heaven forbid a young black person could be driving a car..and it could be 'bought, paid for, and all legal (insured etc), with the money they have worked for!! Funny how 'nothing was thrown, and the disorder didnt start that night UNTIL 'enough of these young people' had ended up in the same place. Only then did anyone throw anything..which was the disorder. When the police turned up in convoy and 'CLOSED IN' on them all. The helicopter above was there 'before' any disorder, bringing curiosity to those who were 'laired in, and snared'. Funny how there was 'no mess' or signs of a disturbance outside in that area the following morning? Confirmed to us by local residents. False claims regarding extents of damage and disturbances are evident. And funny thing is...any suspicions of any corruption and fraudulent claims, go to POLICE with them! As for my son 'Running' away from the disturbance and commotion. INSTINCT. A PSYCOLOGIST WOULD TELL YOU THAT. If the majority of a crowd are running in your direction. You would 'start running and run the same way. 'Thats why he ran'...not because he had done something wrong, but because he wanted to 'take himself out of the situation, and distance himself from involvement, disorder, and danger! How could he have 'just stood there? waiting for his opportunity to protest his innocence. Getting mowed down in the process. Would you have just 'stook to the spot' saying 'it wasnt me officer'? Or would you have run for your own personal safety? My son did just that. But if your not a young black male, you wouldnt understand. Innocent or guilty...running or standing...would have got the same response and treatment! No doubt!!”

“Angryperson 1 - please read my comment again. I haven't called anyone a thug.
I know you haven't called them heroes, but they have been called heroes by others.
Just to clear that up.
Good day to you. :)”

“commentking. I dont think that they are heros and have never have said that.You say that you are open minded,and then call them thugs.They are not thugs just two normal guys who have had their liberty taken from them.As for an explanation perrys interview was 50 odd pages of evidense that he wasnt doing any thing ,this is the point,The police had no evidence saying that
Perry and Frazer were there,They identified them as being part of a group not as individuals because they had dark tracksuits on.,The police couldnt have identified them as this was proven in their evidence the police provided.This may come as a shock not all policemen tell the truth.policemen may use reasonable force when arresting a sussect..would you call a rugby tackle reasonable.The boys were arrested because they were running Fact the police were under orders that night to arrest any one in tracksuits who were seen running in town to be arrested oh yeah just to let you know i have two brothers one a fireman and one is a retired police man c.i.d.
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“I still have and always have had an open mind about this case however I object to these men being referred to as 'heroes'
Firemen are heroes
Nurses are heroes
Armed forces personnel are heroes
People from all walks of life who carry out random heroic acts of bravery are heroes.


2 lads who couldn't or wouldn't give a half decent explanation as to why they were seen running away from the police on a night where random acts of cowardice, vandalism and thuggery were committed are NOT heroes. Far far from it.
The evidence, such as it is, may not be the best. Thanks. I get it.
Good luck with the appeal. I mean that.The Law should be tested, this way it improves, modernises and gets better.”