“Sorry, that darn 's' just slipped in.”

“I replied to your post but guess what- those who must not be offended took offence (again).;

This is freedom of speech, Daily mail style.”

“I'm sure you're capable of expressing your opinions in an acceptable style. It's not usually ideas that are unacceptable, but the way they are expressed and the careful use of vocabulary. You're an intelligent person Hashimoto - I'm sure you can do it.”

“"Creation and evolution

From the Lutheran church's website:-

"The ELCA has not adopted an official position on creation or evolution, but "there is general agreement on interpreting the Bible within its historical contexts and applying critical methods of research"

Roughly translated, this means "Although we know evolution is a FACT, we don't recognise it as such because doing so would render the Genesis "explanation" of how life evolved as the delusional garbage it clearly is. Looking down on your personal fiefdom and shouting "let the earth produce all kinds of animal life" doesn't really stack up against millions of years of genetic change, does it?, but hey, why let facts destroy the biggest confidence trick of all time" ?

"there is general agreement on interpreting the Bible within its historical contexts and applying critical methods of research"

Well there may be agreement amongst the gullible numptys who prefer fiction to fact, but it ain't so for anyone prepared to do a bit of scientific research.

The bible's "historical context" is Orwellian Newspeak for a book that explains nothing about our origins or the subsequent development of life, so as far as I'm concerned, the Lutheran church behind this feeble attempt to put a liberalist slant on hard faced organised religion should be treated with the same contempt as all the other Wendy house saviours of the soul.

Last year the assets of this church were over 65 million dollars. What a wonderful exercise in how to squeeze money from the poor and gullible"”

“Maybe the website should have been called "the Virtual Reality for the Blind Idiot"”

“Hashimoto, you're just picking one viewpoint from the website, whereas my delight is that you can compare a wide variety of beliefs.”

“When that "wide variety of beliefs" amount to the same thing- believing in something without evidence-they have no value. Besides, I'm not concerned with beliefs, I'm concerned with what can be proven.”

“@ grammamamma

Hashimoto's name by the way is Mike Lake...see http://tinyurl.com/bzuflzs and let me know if you agree.”

“What if it is Dave? What point are you trying to make?”

“Maybe I acquired the habit of "picking viewpoints" from Christians who seem quite happy to cherry pick the best bits (?) from the Bible.”

“by hashimoto6
"Maybe I acquired the habit of "picking viewpoints" from Christians who seem quite happy to cherry pick the best bits (?) from the Bible."

Maybe you did Mike Lake but no matter.”

“Thanks for drawing my attention to Mike Lake's article - it was interesting reading and I agree with most of what was said. I have a small element of doubt over Hashimoto being Dave Lake - the latter says he draws the line at offending individuals, but I've seen Hashimoto be positively rude on accasions.”

“@grammamamma
It's definitely him, check out all of the other blogs that Mike Lake has submitted to the DT, all with the same Hashimoto style anti-religous themes. Also note that not in one of them does Hashimote, Bertysteapot or Kompressor880 (his latest alias in the DT) comment....why because he and MIke Lake are one and the same. He only offends when using one his many alias's which confirms my belief that deep down he is a very bitter, twisted and tormented person.”

“@grammamamma
See what I mean, no denial from him plus he seems to have gone underground now he's been exposed.”

“I am Mike Lake”

“I'm Mike Lake, and so is my wife!”

“This is Mike Lake http://tinyurl.com/cfed5d5”

“Thanks Dave. Mike Lake sounds like an interesting, intelligent; positive person. It's hard to reconcile this with the bitter and often rude rantings of Hashimoto.”