“It matters not how you cut it, where boundaries are, what personal issues people have, or how much everyone debates or argues, there is one simple fact.

NOTTINGHAM DOES NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT JOBS, EMPLOYERS, OR TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES.”

“"Unemployment figures are a wake up call".. says this article..

Well, lets just leave Nottm out of it for a minute.... Has anyone seen tonight that we are now up to 2.5 million nationally (including fast approaching a million 16-24 yr olds)..

Whats the target?.. the 3 million of the early-mid 90s, not sure of the exact year, & its irrelevant anyway....

Oh, sorry I forgot.... This Demolition Coalition probably think "its worth the price".... & most of the unemployed "scroungers" are unemployable anyway aren,t they?.. According to the imbeciles at such places as the Chamber of Commerce, & a good proportion of evasive, economical with the truth Employers..

So thats all sorted then.......... Onwards & Upwards (if you know what I mean)..”

“bjmann.. No I didnt miss "the post" to which you refer....

As far as Im concerned, while ever the country is run by wealthy, elite, self-interested, out of touch, arrogant know-all parasites like Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, & this lot now.... It will remain a dysfunctional society, & probably get worse..

That,s why there,s so much animosity between people in our society, you only have to read the posts on this site..”

“One of the nice things about going to watch Forest play is that they haven't abandoned their city-centre ground for an out-of-town stadium. How interesting, then, that the City Ground isn't in the City, due, of course, to the ridiculously tightly drawn unitary authority boundaries.

So, what would you accept as evidence that less of Nottingham is within the UA boundaries than other comparable cities (given that you have stated that you are not willing to accept the official data showing that less of Nottingham's population is within the UA boundaries than other comparable cities)?”

“None of that is evidence I'm afraid. It's just a desire to alter the city's boundaries to show Nottingham in a more favourable light, while leaving every other city in the country unchanged.

It's like going to the City Ground to watch Forest and at the end of the match saying wisely "Ahh - but if Nottingham Forest had Barcelona's squad, the result would have been totally different. "

And then totally ignoring the opposition supporter when he tells you that if his team had Manchester United's squad they would have scored more goals.

I'd be grateful if you could refrain from personal attacks and rudeness in your posts in future. In my experience such bluster is a symptom of intellectual insecurity.”

“Ah, I think I can see where you're getting confused, FW:

"Well, how about the fact that the fraction of the larger urban area that lies within the unitary authority boundaries is smaller for Nottingham than any of the other comparable cities"

You're comparing Nottingham with places like Mansfield.

Whereas we all know that Nottingham is a major international player, so large, and with such a concentrated inner city population, that it needs a mass transit system.

We all know that Nottingham should be compared with the likes of the Square Mile of the City of London.

Or even Hong Kong, or Monte Carlo.

Where the suburbs aren't, or weren't, even outside the city boundaries:

BUT OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY!

Glad we've got that cleared up at last!”

“Neilant, did you miss the post that comment was a comment on.

This myth about Thatcher is just that.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out that a drive to achieve "equality" just leads to a race to the bottom, the dumbing down and general impoverishment the majority have been subjected to by Blair and Brown.

I know they're very long, but try reading the entire speech your quote comes from, and the entire article the "There's no such thing as society" quote comes from.

I said I wasn't a fan, I didn't say I was blinded by ideological hatred.

As you missed it:

by bjmann Tuesday, September 13 2011, 12:24PM

"By the way, not a lot of people know this, but Milk Snatcher Thatcher was only carrying on the Milk Snatching the previous Labour government had started.

Then again, they don't even know that the supposed "No such thing as society, only you and me" "quote" was actually from a several page long article about how society, ie you and me, had to look after the young, the old, the sick, the weak, and the otherwise disadvantaged.

The "quote" was from a section where whe was pointing out that if you cheated on society you weren't defrauding a faceless organisation, but ordinary people (in the same way you might say to a robber or fraud, there is no such thing as Building Society, only ordinary members, grannies and ickle kiddies).

She also never said that anyone over whatever age who uses a bus is a failure.

And she believed in a NATIONALISED rail service.

But as FW might say.

Why let a good trendy-lefty, commie-pinko, woolly-liberal, bleedin-heart myth get in the way of the facts!

.

It's a myth fuelled by Labour that:

"she instigated & cultivated a greed culture that is so embedded in our society now, that it will only continue to grow & spread like the malignant cancer it is.... Constantly fuelled by the wealthy elites` obsessive self-interest.."

And Blair and Brown (going to the Mansion House in a lounge suit, but letting, in fact encouraging, the bankers get away with daylight robbery) did more to encourage that than any dry tory.

Thatcher did things like open up home ownership to the masses (why does a successful, advanced nation need millions of massively subsidised homes for the impoverished - it shouldn't have any!), opened up the stock market to the workers who created the wealth, etc.

And she only carried on the milk "snatching" that Labour started (and, again, why does a rich, first world country need to give its schoolkids sour or frozen milk depending on the season?)!

So much for the achievements of the previous labour governments!

While she encouraged wealth creation, she insisted it was balanced by responsibility and duty.

It was Brown who encouraged irresponsible greed and the pursuit of profit regardless of the consequences.

She may have had many faults, but the ones she's accused of usually only existed in the minds of the Left!

But, amazingly, despite the hatred they hold for her, they blindly support AGW/Man Made Climate Change, which no one was worried about apart from a few environMental hippies until she chose to give it some scientific and political respectability as a tool to undermine Scargill and boost Nuclear Power and funded unscientific "research" to back her claims.”

“FW, we get the picture, we don't need, and shouldn't get, any kind of help, subsidy, grant, funding on account of unemployment, because it's not a particular problem here.

You don't need to keep reminding us:

Tell Collins and his crew.

Especially that we don't need the tram to boost employment!”

“"But nobody has ever produced any evidence that shows this to be the case."

Well, how about the fact that the fraction of the larger urban area that lies within the unitary authority boundaries is smaller for Nottingham than any of the other comparable cities, as I have shown several times, and even provided you with the link to check the data for yourself?

Or the fact that if you use the unitary authority boundaries, then Nottingham has a higher unemployment rate than any other unitary authority city centre in the country, whereas if you look at unemployment within parliamentary constituency boundaries, which ignore the unitary authority boundaries and pick out a fairer slice of most cities, then Nottingham is in no way exceptional for unemployment, as has also been shown several times?

I honestly can't think of any more direct evidence that could be provided (and, no, reeling off anecdotes about which particular suburb is inside or outside which particular city does not in any way invalidate this objective assessment).

What would convince you, if evidence as blindingly obvious as this doesn't? Or could it be that you enjoy badmouthing the City so much that you wouldn't let any argument spoil your self-defecating pleasure by showing that, apart from its unitary authority boundaries, Nottingham is actually just a fairly average mid-sized midlands city?”

“bj (not a "Thatcher fan" Im pleased to hear).... She,s also the one who said in a speech (in the US) before she became PM.. "The pursuit of equality is a mirage"....

Well, she made damn sure that statement proved to be correct for millions more than she started with in 1979..

& she instigated & cultivated a greed culture that is so embedded in our society now, that it will only continue to grow & spread like the malignant cancer it is.... Constantly fuelled by the wealthy elites` obsessive self-interest..

Unless??...................... Im not allowed to say anymore than that on the internet apparently.. But I can think it..”