Raid shop set to hear verdict on booze licence today

“voxpopuli, please do tell. Whilst I appreciate your exasperation in your attempts at "educating the stupid ", what exactly is "an ignorant no-nothing "?”

“Voxpop and handymanphil: actually there is some case law on this, which shows that if you tell someone you are only lending them the car if they have valid insurance, then it is not your liability if they lie to you about being insured:

http://tinyurl.com/cwayozq”

“@Vox - Good to see the doctors are allowing you out at night again!”

“God, why do I have to deal with such ignorant thinkers such as handymanphil.

You say " you are not the lendee's keeper! If your 'friend' says, "yes, I'm alreadfy onto the insurance about the 6 week period" then you would believe him and therefore lend him the cart without question-unless of course you were some sort of Poirot!"

Ignorance and gullibility are no defence in the eyes of the law. What would you say in court exactly...."the big boy said he had insurance your honour, and I believed him?" Get real.

Let me take a quote from this link: http://tinyurl.com/a6oreuc

"The offences are known as IN10, driving without insurance, and IN12, allowing someone else to drive your car without insurance.

Both carry an automatic six to eight penalty points on your licence but, in the worst case, also come with a fine of up to £5,000 and a driving ban.

John O'Roarke, managing director of LV= car insurance, says: 'Thousands of motorists lend their cars to others and don't realise they are not insured to drive them.
'If someone has driven your car without insurance and with your permission, you could face a fine and up to eight points for permitting a vehicle to be on a public road without an insurance policy being in force."

Now perhaps you could come up with contradictory evidence that suggests that car owners are completely absolved of all responsibility when they lend their vehicle to an uninsured friend, and I would cerntainly be interested in reading it. Until then, it is quite clear that YOU are an ignorant no-nothing who seems to be doing the talking out of the glutimus maximus.

Now what I've said probably hasn't gone in the first time, so try reading this link as well then you MIGHT just get it:

http://tinyurl.com/bd6bnrw

"The punishment for driving without insurance ------ or allowing your vehicle to be used by an uninsured driver -------- is six to eight penalty points and a fine of up to £5000. In serious cases the courts have the discretion to disqualify you from driving."

What a waste of my time....educating the stupid :(”

“Cut ro-land some slack, vox. He's busy looking for nasty ickle wacists/bigots/fascists etc. under his (single) bed.

THEN he'll be wetting his (single) bed.”

“To the comment "I lend my car to someone for the same 6 weeks, he goes through red lights, hit & run etc - am i guilty ? '' , My opinion and no need to be getting all aggressive as i said , ONLY MY OPINION BUT If i were to lend my car to somebody else to drive,The car that costs me a small fortune to be roadworthy and legal,Firstly I Would not just ''lend my car to anybody because they can drive'',Whether that person was close family or not/Or in an emergency IF they were not FULLY INSURED etc etc,Therefore should i THEN END UP in this situation ,i KNOW 100% for that to even have happened and for this situation to arise ,It was a person who was fully covered and somebody i at least half trust AND also respectful & decent enough to NOT LET ME ARGUE MY INNOCENCE NOR TAKE BLAME OR LIE FOR SOMETHING THEY KNOW THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR and ithout a second thought immediately accept responsibility and step forward no questions asked even ,take the stick for there on actions . A m i wrong in thiking this ?”

“Voxwench-you are talking utter ballcox as usual, you are not the lendee's keeper! If your 'friend' says, "yes, I'm alreadfy onto the insurance about the 6 week period" then you would believe him and therefore lend him the cart without question-unless of course you were some sort of Poirot!
You say that MR Abbas's friend/colleague; tenant; sub lesee or however you wish to entitle the gentleman had no cause to take a government course to see if he was a 'fit & proper person' to run the shop and nor was Mr Abbas entitled to go on a course to allow him to make such a judgement so to say that Mr Abbas must pay the forfeit shows that you generally talk from your Glutimus Maximus! Mr Abbas cannot be held accountable when 'x' thousand miles away-simple as that!”

“listen yh i no this guy who did it so dnt be ****in racist yh!!! racist *****”

“To you, handymanphil, who asked "I lend my car to someone for the same 6 weeks, he goes through red lights, hit & run etc - am I guilty?"

In this case if you failed to ensure that the person you lent the car to is insured then you are indeed responsible and would get an automatic 6-8 points, up to £5k fine and possibly banned...so yes, if you do lend your car to someone and do not sufficiently check that person is responsible then you get to carry the can.
In the article's case Mr Abbas failed in his responsibility to establish the person he entrusted his alcohol licence to was "insured" . So he takes the points.

I see the intellectually under-endowed roland and slickspoons are spouting their usual throbbingly enthusiastic allophilia. Pathetic.”

“Inoffthered – I don't "debate" with racists, it's beneath me, suffice to say you're wrong on every level imaginable. If spouting xenophobic bile was a sport, you'd be world and olympic champion!”