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Friday, June 22, 2012
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A SIMMERING feud over a patch of land where a Notts pensioner put his wheelie bins ended in a deadly confrontation.

Grandad Ray Tindall had once been friends with neighbour Jeffrey Burton, a 60-year-old former parish councillor.

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    Jim Tindall says the death of his father is still hard to talk about.

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    Grandad Ray Tindall, of Rainworth, was stabbed to death in a feud over bins

But Burton stabbed him to death after the argument about the three-foot strip of land boiled over.

New details about what led to the attack have emerged after Mr Tindall's son Jim spoke out for the first time about his father's killing on what had been a peaceful family Boxing Day last year.

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"He was just a good grandfather and a loving dad," Jim Tindall told the Post.

"It's still very difficult and very hard for us all.

"We knew they'd been arguing, but we didn't know how far it had got."

Burton went round to Ray Tindall's village home in Rainworth, attacking him with a hatchet and a knife.

Only two days before the attack, Burton had been told he was terminally ill.

He never faced trial for the killing, dying in hospital before the case came to court.

His widow Jacqui said: "What my husband did was a terrible thing, but he was dying of cancer."

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  • Profile image for stannzpie23

    by stannzpie23

    Saturday, June 23 2012, 4:25PM

    “Obviously none of us here know the full details of what really went off with these two old chaps who let a piece of land ruin some sort of friendship they once had....Jeffrey Burton died of cancer which is sad,but what he did and the way he overreacted is unforgivable..”

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    by Marmaris_mart

    Friday, June 22 2012, 4:13PM

    “Hope Burton Burns in hell for his vile crime the evil evil man, shame on you and your family for trying to defend your actions”

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    by Gayleh69

    Friday, June 22 2012, 3:58PM

    “All of todays reports about this particular story are with regards to Mr Tindall. I would like to hear both sides of the story before I make judgements about anyone.

    I'm with Mr Lawrenson and my thoughts go out to both families!”

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    by Gayleh69

    Friday, June 22 2012, 3:57PM

    “All of todays reports about this particular story are with regards to Mr Tindall. I would like to hear both sides of the story before I make judgements about anyone.

    I'm with Mr Lawrenson and my thoughts go out to both families!”

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    by BLawrenson

    Friday, June 22 2012, 2:26PM

    “Gerry your comments were worth the repetition. My thoughts go out to both families.”

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    by gerry_gilbert

    Friday, June 22 2012, 1:14PM

    “[I'm not sure if my first try reached this board. If it did, apologies for the repetition. ]

    Neighbour disputes over boundaries can simmer and fester and become very nasty indeed. You read regular stories in the national press about folk running up tens of thousands in legal bills over a trivial patch of land, sometimes just a foot or so of boundary. There was some politician recently, I can't remember who offhand, who moved house because of such a dispute. I remember my Dad getting wound up this way many years ago, about the boundary with his neighbour, and he became absolutely obsessed with the conflict, researching law, looking into housing plans, land surveys, the works. The dispute only finished when my folks moved house.

    The trouble is that when you get involved in a dispute like this, it becomes very personal and ceases to be about the ostensible root cause, and communication between the parties ceases. Bitter personal hatreds develop which can erupt in violence, even though murder is unusual. There are mediation services run by councils that are designed to defuse such conflicts before they become intractable, a good local example of which is the Broxtowe Council service (http://tinyurl.com/bqyfq5a). If you find yourself getting so wound up by your neighbour that you're no longer on speaking terms, get in touch with such a service before the dispute goes beyond the point of no return. Definitely do not get lawyers involved as then nobody wins, other than the briefs.”

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    by gerry_gilbert

    Friday, June 22 2012, 1:12PM

    “Neighbour disputes over boundaries can simmer and fester and become very nasty indeed. You read regular stories in the national press about folk running up tens of thousands in legal bills over a trivial patch of land, sometimes just a foot or so of boundary. There was some politician recently, I can't remember who offhand, who moved house because of such a dispute. I remember my Dad getting wound up this way many years ago, about the boundary with his neighbour, and he became absolutely obsessed with the conflict, researching law, looking into housing plans, land surveys, the works. The dispute only finished when my folks moved house.

    The trouble is that when you get involved in a dispute like this, it becomes very personal and ceases to be about the ostensible root cause, and communication between the parties ceases. Bitter personal hatreds develop which can erupt in violence, even though murder is unusual. There are mediation services run by councils that are designed to defuse such conflicts before they become intractable, a good local example of which is the Broxtowe Council service (http://tinyurl.com/bqyfq5a). If you find yourself getting so wound up by your neighbour that you're no longer on speaking terms, get in touch with such a service before the dispute goes beyond the point of no return. Definitely do not get lawyers involved as then nobody wins, other than the briefs.”

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    by Dave_Nottm

    Friday, June 22 2012, 12:40PM

    “So he got what the law should have prescribed for him anyway, I guess it means”

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    by SlickSpoons

    Friday, June 22 2012, 11:25AM

    “"What my husband did was a terrible thing, but he was dying of cancer."

    So what!”

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    by Conversation

    Friday, June 22 2012, 10:47AM

    “Dying of cancer doesn't excuse murder. Another sad, tragic story, all too common nowadays.”

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