“We all know that fox hunting has nothing to do with keeping fox numbers down.
The fact is rural England has a large horse industry which needs country pursuits to help it flourish.
Fox hunting is just an excuse for a jolly day out and excercise the horses.
The fact that a law has been passed banning fox hunting is irrelevant ,if you can excert enough influence where it matters you can ignore the law.
I think sometimes we get sqeamish about killing animals when we accept sacrificing young men in wars .On a personel level I once went hunting and shot a hare .I had to finish it off with the gun butt .The animal was innocent and just doing what Hares do.”

“Surely one of the main points of the site is to encourage debate - I'm not interested in having an argument with you, others maybe.

I will rest my case then with the source which I posted up. I think it is fair to say that most of that "species report" is fairly accurate and balanced.”

“Smith, i have posted a few suggestions for you to begin, therefore we can refute your previous claims. Are you looking to facilitate an argument, then i'm not playing those silly games.

I have previously stated that i have looked at this issue in reasonable depth and this is a culmination of that, i have also stated that many sources of information exist to support both sides of the issue as well as the middle ground. We can reasonably conclude there are many subjective areas among them. Also, i have no view to either side of the issue as where i live foxes are shot.”

“Mr Leslie said: "Fox hunting is synonymous with cruelty"


"There was a groundswell of opinion YEARS AGO that" the "disgusting practice" of "tearing" foetuses "to pieces in the name of" womens rights "wasn't acceptable".

Foetuses are "torn to bits". They "literally tear the" foetuses "apart".

"I find it hard to understand how anyone can think such savagery can be accceptable in this day and age".

"Would any of you" anti "hunting lot want your children to witness such brutality"?


I wonder if Mr Leslie and his supporters also think that ripping foetuses, even those viable outside the womb, limb from limb, "is synonymous with cruelty"?

I wonder if they feel that piercing the skull of unborn children and sucking their brains out is acceptable?

Or don't they think that these very, very little people are really people after all, which makes everything alright?

In which case, do they think it's alright to boil lobsters alive (after all, they only exhibit reactions like foetuses)?

If they don't, isn't that a bit hypocritical?

If they do, why not foxes!”

“"Mr Leslie said: "It's bizarre that the Tory-led government considers this a priority when people are struggling to make ends meet."

I wonder if Mr Leslie made similar comments about the Labour government when they wasted so much time bringing in the ban in the first place?

Or did he think it was better they wasted their time with the Foxhunting bill rather than doing even more to lay waste to the economy while pretending to have ended boom and bust by easing credit controls and encouraging bankers to disguise busts and promote a false feelgood consumer boom fuelled by cheap and easy credit.”

“Shogun

You still haven't posted any sources or "studies" to back up your claims. He's a credible source which appears to refute most of your "claims".


http://tinyurl.com/7qnzb96”

“MOF

You're a prat and a fool.”

“whats the problem ? foxes are a menace,so you have the choice of taking a pot shot or an outright kill with hounds ? i guess if your labour you can get a PFI deal out and get some non jobs out of it, who knows it could create 8000 jobs ?”

“Smith, I would disagree with you on the average age of urban foxes as many studies and pieces i have read suggests the average age of urban foxes is between 4 - 6 years, however i would agree most urban foxes are killed by motor vehicles. Unfortunately the evidence i have seen would suggest the numbers of urban foxes killed by motor vehicles is much less than 1% of the population and much lower than there rate of breeding, which, even factoring this in means an increasing population.

Politically, both main parties have known about the issue of the massive rises in both the country and urban fox populations and both parties have failed to act to control there numbers for several decades.

One of two things will happen with the vote, either the vote will be in favour of fox hunting, or the people will lobby there MP's and politicians and the ban will remain in place, this issue would have then been put to bed once and for all.”

“I think it is also ffair to say that hunting is a very political issue - it doesn't need people on here to make it one.”