“Insensible you live on another planet totally devoid of any common sense and with blinkers on. Which party currently has the country in debt to £797billion? labour, who has let immigration get totally out of control and can't tell us how much it costs? labour.
Which party has done more than anyone in history to promote fringe parties such as the BNP? labour.

These are real facts, and more are that your loved party have more spin doctors than any party in history so what is a spin doctor? of course there professional liars.
Why does any political party have to employ so many liars? of course to tell more lies, more than any other party in history. Here are the real facts.

Why do you resort to calling people who oppose your bigoted views tories and suddenly call them BNP members in the next post? they can't be both can they, you're doing exactly what your beloved labour party do!!! make the facts fit your narrow minded bigoted views without consistency.
It shows what a total moron you really are.”

“Plonk, I think you will find it is the Tories who have lied and not told us the truth.

And as for John, who says:
"But then again what can you expect from someone who thinks it costs over £7million to remove a traffic light...."

Well John, let me quote to you from the post a couple of weeks ago:
"But a private letter, dated August 4, to County Hall cabinet member for Transport and Highways Coun Richard Jackson, said: "If any revisions to the scheme materially reduce benefits to bus journeys, it would call into doubt the original approval decision." ('Gedling bus plug row over money threat', Post, October 24th).

And removing the plugs would have an adverse effect on bus journeys!

And as for:
"he thinks they could balance the books by spending £30 million MORE on funding an unecessary tram..."

Another quote?

Here goes:
"Coun Richard Jackson, Notts County Council cabinet member for Transport and Highways, sent out a press release after the council voted against funding up to £18m towards building new lines to Chilwell and Clifton.

The statement said: "Our contribution to this project would have been the equivalent of doubling our support for bus services across the county."

But Broxtowe Borough Councillor Steve Barber says the statement omitted an important fact.

The £18m figure needed to extend the tram was a one-off capital payment, whereas the money spent on bus services by the county council, which Coun Jackson compared to the tram cost, was £12m per year." ('Councillor apologises over tram cost confusion, Post, November 4th )

And the Council have indicated that they need to save £33 million this year, and I have already explained how, by scrapping the tax freeze (which will cost £9 million and only benefit the rich), scrapping the removal of the bus plugs (which will cost millions) and scrapping the thousands being spent on Kay Cutts's own offices, and now Richard Jackson has admitted that he lied over the costs of tram and buses and is doing anything but "improve bus services"...

More than half, and possibly all of those cuts, home sell-offs and extra charges might not be needed.

Fact!”

“"Eat your own words, moron. Do you seriously think NuLab will win the next election? Do you seriously think NuLab will EVER win another election."

Of course they will, why wouldn't they? They are one of the most succesful post-war governments we have seen.

Take off your blinkers for once in your life; not everyone is as hateful as you.”

“He's got no sense full stop.
Quotes the labour manifesto of lies and indoctrinated truths.”

“What an absolute idiot that Mr sensible guy is. The County council need to balance their budget and make £85 million savings and he thinks they could balance the books by spending £30 million MORE on funding an unecessary tram and not carpeting an office.

By my maths that means that cancelled office carpet would have cost £115 million.

But then again what can you expect from someone who thinks it costs over £7million to remove a traffic light.... what a plonker. He obviously still lives at home with his mum because he has no sense of what anything costs..”

“Those who accuse old folks of whining and complaining should realise that most of them have contributed for 50 years or more.
Personally, I have put hundreds of thousands into the System over the past 55 years (still working).
So when I present my free bus pass I have no sense of guilt. In fact it enables me to join the Greenies (for the length of the bus journey that is)!
We seem intent on filling the country with millions who have never, and probably will never, contribute to the System. This is a far greater worry than Global Warming because the final reckoning will be disasterous.
Until then I will note with satisfaction my State Pension showing in the Credit column, my Winter Fuel Cheque helping towards Christmas Goodies and my Free Ride to Town.
PS :
If I had been allowed to invest my Taxes and N.I. over the past 50 odd years I would be a millionaire now.
So stop criticising Old Folk and start worrying about the Future boys and girls . . . !”

“"Isn't it comical that most of the posters on here who mud sling are Tory supporters?! And isn't it funny that despite being asked several times by various posters, none of them have come up with an argument as to why a new carpet is so much more important than paying for vital services."

Exactly, L; they take it from David Cameron, who focuses all his energy on slinging mud at Gordon Brown rather than actually coming up with any policies.

Which is what makes B J Mann's comments about:
"Keep playing the man

Until you can play the ball!"

Or something to that effect rather ironic.


And, David, you will be pleased to know that I actually have a sollution, or at least part sollution to the problem.

I heard Gedling MP Vernan Coaker on Radio Nottingham's news this lunchtime.

He thought that the Council Tax freeze will cost the authority £9 million a year, and as King Biffo has said it will only deliver real savings to those in bands E and higher.

Which means that, if my maths is correct, if the Council scrapped that, the spending on their offices, the £7 million on removing the bus plugs and funded the tram instead of "improving buses" (given that Richard Jackson lied about the costs of each) then over half the cuts, charges and home privatizations proposed in the budget would not be needed.

Simples!”

“Mr S - Exactly. The reason Wurrows resorted to name calling is because he couldn't win the argument. He, and others like him, are blind to the mistakes the Conservative government made. But the fact remains that the Conservative government lost power because A) the majority of the Country were not happy with Conservative rule and B) the majority of the Country wanted change. If the Conservatives were doing a fantastic job and represented everyone in society, then they wouldn't have been voted out. Wurrows has no comeback to this and so decides to get personal.

Isn't it comical that most of the posters on here who mud sling are Tory supporters?! And isn't it funny that despite being asked several times by various posters, none of them have come up with an argument as to why a new carpet is so much more important than paying for vital services. If I was a Tory, then I would be disappointed with Kay Cutts leadership so far and the fact that her selfish actions will damage the Conservative's reputation locally and possibly their chance of winning the next election.”

“Always remember, L, that if someone's arguments have any substance at all, then they should stand up for themselves without personal insults, calling people "morons" ETC.

The very fact that Mr Mann, Wurrows and friends have to resort to that obviously tells me that what they say just has no substance!”

“Wurrows - Read my post again and then comment without the insults. There is no need to be personal and name call. Sorry, but it shows you up when you have to stoop so low.

And where in my post did I say that Nulab would win the next election? I have also posted on other posts that I am not blind to Labour's failings. Nothing brain dead about me, just I can see without blue tinted glasses and see that the Conservative party are not so great either.

So come on Wurrows, tell me, if things were so great under the Tories and everyone in society was happy with their leadership, just why did they get voted out?”